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Between Sundays Podcast

What does spiritual unity really cost, and how do we steward it in the church? In this episode Tyler, Maron, and Barry welcome Aussie pastor Ken Kamau for a conversation about unity in the Spirit and what it takes to build it across cultures and churches. Ken shares his journey from Nairobi to Sydney, creative ministry strategies like free weddings, and his work revitalizing multicultural churches in Australia. We explore what spiritual unity requires—pride, comfort, exclusivity—and why unity is something we steward, not manufacture. Plus, hear about Grace Church's global partnerships, stories about mead-making, sports fandom, and the reality of navigating dissent in church community. Don't forget to check out the Grace Church app, and subscribe so you don't miss next week's episode!

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